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Jacques1400 wrote:

@bjmaxvin67 @casey1985

 

@SonicBoom is accurate in his responses, I guess I can retire now. Smiley Wink


Thank You @Jacques1400,

 

And I would really like to give a major THANK YOU to @SonicBoom for all his help. Do not think your help and advice do not go unnoticed or unappreciated; unfortunately we are only allowed to give one KUDOS to show our appreciation. But again I Thank You @SonicBoom and also @Jacques1400 (do not retire yet we still may need you Smiley LOL). 

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Jacques1400 wrote:

For anyone who missed out on the Transformers, and if BB Canada stock is forever depleted, they are available/live across Europe, same Steelbooks in English, "J" card in language of the country. I checked Germany to confirm, but nothing on the UK site, so it might be an exclusive there. It is noted as "Limited Edition", but years of collecting has shown this to be an overused statement, so it's anyone's guess.

 

@BBYTerence

 

Food for thought: Any possibility of BB scheduling a go live date and time for exclusives and limiting quantities?

 

Hoarders and group buys deplete stock because they order in large quantities, limiting purchases to 3 or 5 per household does not work, they simply place 3 separate orders of qty 5 and nobody knows any better.

 

Legacy FS forum members will recall that many exclusives were posted in the forum with a “Go Live” date/time combined with a maximum limit of copies per order, a practice many other retailers/boutique labels follow today in order to minimize hoarding. Combining a “Go Live” date/time with a copy limit of qty 1 per order would certainly open up more opportunities for loyal BB customers to obtain a copy.

 


I think the go live date is the best idea here (although I am not sure how it would work properly based on how the system has worked in the past), and limiting to 3-5 copies. Limiting to 1 is only going to create more problems -- how many times have people complained about scratches, dents, and damaged copies? How often will there be extra stock for these customers to replace their destroyed copies with? How often are people buying an extra copy for their friends/loved ones? How often are they buying multiple copies to ensure they get the undamaged diamond in the rough, and then return the others?

 

I think the easiest and most efficient way is to make all steelbooks online exclusives. Limit to 3-5 copies per order/credit card/address (whichever deters the group buys), and keep the pre-order window open for a week. And then just buy that much stock to fill the orders. Advertise in the catalogue and in the store so no one can say they didn't know, and make sure the go live date is mentioned. Plus it gives more incentive to watch the forums for the go live dates. Plus it will give a better idea of what will sell and what will not.

 

Like can someone tell me how Beauty & The Beast, the current highest grossing movie of the year, is still available to pre-order, and a movie like Rogue One sold out in two days? Yes, they cater to different demoes, but then how do we explain Ghost in the Shell still being available and La La Land selling out in a day?

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pikachuforever wrote:

I think the go live date is the best idea here (although I am not sure how it would work properly based on how the system has worked in the past), and limiting to 3-5 copies. Limiting to 1 is only going to create more problems -- how many times have people complained about scratches, dents, and damaged copies?

 

Nobody can complain about damages if the item is sold out, yet we all know the forums & the auction sites that have pre-orders up for multiple copies because they bulked purchased, they are not concerned with damages.

Some customers prefer to order 2 copies "Just in Case", I get that. Limit to qty 2 instead, it still interferes with the hoarders and group buys and you get free shipping if it's priced lower than $35.00. The problem cannot be eliminated, but at least it gives legit loyal BB customers a fighting chance to get a copy. Anything above 2 copies, might as well leave things as they are.

 

pikachuforever wrote:

I think the easiest and most efficient way is to make all steelbooks online exclusives. Limit to 3-5 copies per order/credit card/address (whichever deters the group buys), and keep the pre-order window open for a week. And then just buy that much stock to fill the orders. Advertise in the catalogue and in the store so no one can say they didn't know, and make sure the go live date is mentioned. Plus it gives more incentive to watch the forums for the go live dates. Plus it will give a better idea of what will sell and what will not.

 

In a perfect world, I would agree.

Suggesting a revamp of the BB purchasing dept, online ordering system and Customer Service, what are the odds? Hoarders and Group buyers are not always single individuals purchasing huge amounts either, they recruit multiple individuals for a small fee to purchase on their behalf, tracking addresses and credit cards is pretty much a waste of time and more than likely impossible to implement.

In my opinion, the easiest and less painful process is to limit the quantities to 1X or 2X per order max with a "Go Live" which mimics the Boutique Labels with their own Limited Editions such as Twilight Time, Mondo Macabro, Severin, Brink, Synapse, Shout!, including various retailers which obviously cannot be named in this forum.

It works for them, why not....

 

 

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Re: Upcoming SteelBooks Discussion Thread

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pikachuforever wrote:

Jacques1400 wrote:

For anyone who missed out on the Transformers, and if BB Canada stock is forever depleted, they are available/live across Europe, same Steelbooks in English, "J" card in language of the country. I checked Germany to confirm, but nothing on the UK site, so it might be an exclusive there. It is noted as "Limited Edition", but years of collecting has shown this to be an overused statement, so it's anyone's guess.

 

@BBYTerence

 

Food for thought: Any possibility of BB scheduling a go live date and time for exclusives and limiting quantities?

 

Hoarders and group buys deplete stock because they order in large quantities, limiting purchases to 3 or 5 per household does not work, they simply place 3 separate orders of qty 5 and nobody knows any better.

 

Legacy FS forum members will recall that many exclusives were posted in the forum with a “Go Live” date/time combined with a maximum limit of copies per order, a practice many other retailers/boutique labels follow today in order to minimize hoarding. Combining a “Go Live” date/time with a copy limit of qty 1 per order would certainly open up more opportunities for loyal BB customers to obtain a copy.

 


Like can someone tell me how Beauty & The Beast, the current highest grossing movie of the year, is still available to pre-order, and a movie like Rogue One sold out in two days? Yes, they cater to different demoes, but then how do we explain Ghost in the Shell still being available and La La Land selling out in a day?


Well @pikachuforever,

 

The only idea I can come up with (that may not amount to much) is that Beauty and the Beast is still playing in the theaters and people are still seeing it.  In addition to the fact there is no actual release date for the steelbook so maybe people are waiting for a definitive date. Rogue One on the other hand was available for preorder I believe a month and a half before the steelbook release date (but please correct me if I am wrong).  

 

As for LA LA Land and Ghost in the Shell. Lets be honest I of would been suprised if it did not sell out in a day; it ended up taking home six awards, including best director, best actress and best original song and score and won the oscar for best picture (for all of 5 mins Smiley LOL). Then on the other hand you have Ghost in the Shell which from what I understand it has so far grossed $152 million worldwide against a production budget of $110 million. Hollywood did not do a great adapting a anime masterpiece and maybe people are not interested in purchasing this movie. I notice XXX Return of Xander Cage steelbook has not sold out also what going on with that?  

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La La Land - 1 copy available right now for pre-order online.

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Re: Upcoming SteelBooks Discussion Thread

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bjmaxvin67 wrote:

pikachuforever wrote:

Like can someone tell me how Beauty & The Beast, the current highest grossing movie of the year, is still available to pre-order, and a movie like Rogue One sold out in two days? Yes, they cater to different demoes, but then how do we explain Ghost in the Shell still being available and La La Land selling out in a day?


Well @pikachuforever,

 

The only idea I can come up with (that may not amount to much) is that Beauty and the Beast is still playing in the theaters and people are still seeing it.  In addition to the fact there is no actual release date for the steelbook so maybe people are waiting for a definitive date. Rogue One on the other hand was available for preorder I believe a month and a half before the steelbook release date (but please correct me if I am wrong).  

 

As for LA LA Land and Ghost in the Shell. Lets be honest I of would been suprised if it did not sell out in a day; it ended up taking home six awards, including best director, best actress and best original song and score and won the oscar for best picture (for all of 5 mins Smiley LOL). Then on the other hand you have Ghost in the Shell which from what I understand it has so far grossed $152 million worldwide against a production budget of $110 million. Hollywood did not do a great adapting a anime masterpiece and maybe people are not interested in purchasing this movie. I notice XXX Return of Xander Cage steelbook has not sold out also what going on with that?  


But that's what I'm getting at re: steelbook inventory. It doesn't make sense.

There's no way a movie like Assassin's Creed sell out practically overnight, and then Xander Cage and GiTS are still available weeks later. Xander did the best of the 3 at the box office! And as for La La Land...Oscar winner or not, it's not the first movie I'd imagine the steelbook crowd clamouring for and selling out instantly. Should I be waiting to hit the Buy Now button on a Moonlight steelbook then since it actually did win the big prize?

 

But yes, Beauty and the Beast is the one that makes the least sense. It should certainly be sold out by now based on past trends with blockbuster films. Unless Best Buy is finally tuning into the chatter on the forum and are indeed just taking all the pre-orders they can, and then just bringing in enough inventory to fulfill those orders.

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I don't know the complete history of the steelbook in Canada.

 

But this is the first time I have noticed steelbook pre-orders for movies that are still in theatres at Best Buy such as Beauty and the Beast and Ghost in the Shell.

 

Neither have release dates, neither have final artwork confirmed and until that happens there will still be plenty of time to get your order in.  Perhaps that's why they are still available?

 

And from what I hear Ghost in the Shell was garbage anyway but I know, it's a steelbook, with Scarlett Johansson on the cover so it will eventually sell.

 

On a different note, does anybody know why La La Land is $36.99?  And that's the "Sale price".

 

Is it a 4K edition?  Because I don't see that mentioned in the listing. 1 disc, wasn't released in 3D and priced $4.00 higher than the sale price of the 4 Disc Rogue One.

 

Just curious.

 

By the way I looked up the "Details and Specs." tab for this and I noticed it says under Release Notes

 

Warranty Parts 60 Day(s)  I guess that means you can return steelbooks after they have been opened due to dents and scratches and other flaws?

 

I know people have had success returning opened steelbooks due to flaws but I guess this means nobody should have a problem.

 

 

 

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So you guys are asking good questions.  The important thing to remember is that there are forums online that cater to SteelBook collectors.  The fan base has been steadily building for nearly ten years now (and much of it started here in Canada!).

 

If you Google "SteelBooks", look at the top seven hits and you will see where most people are spending their time.

 

There is a huge international community now.  Best Buy Canada (BBC) is one piece of the puzzle.  BBC is now offering pre-orders with theatrical release dates because that is what fans have been asking for (including myself).  Many other online retailers offer pre-orders day and date with the theatrical release to (a) lock in pre-orders early (b) give them early indications as to how much to order and (c) take advantage of the studio marketing hype and buzz that comes before a theatrical release.

 

As for why some SteelBooks are in stock while others are not, you have to look at each title on a case-by-case basis and also take into account the worldwide availability.

 

ROGUE ONE sold out for many reasons:

(1) highly rated SteelBook because it had embossing/debossing and a title written on the spine (SteelBook collectors love that).  There are only three countries worldwide that carried this and BBC was the only option for one of them.  As a result, there is demand for this Canadian SteelBook from international collectors.

(2) The only way to get 3D in Canada.

(3) It's a Star Wars title so even non-movie or non-SteelBook fans would want this

(4) BBC had limited copies.  Not sure why, but I'm sure it's likely because BB US gobbled up most of the stock for themselves first and Canada was likely limited in what it could stock.

(5) price point.  $32.99 for a 3D SteelBook release is an excellent price.  3D SING is $34.99 without a SteelBook.

(6) Scalpers/Investors.  STAR WARS will sell over time so it is a relatively low risk investment for those who wanted to take a chance and try to either flip it, or keep it as trade value over time.

 

GHOST IN THE SHELL (2017) is still available likely because

(1) At least five other online retailers are selling the same SteelBook worldwide

(2) BBC's version is not 3D

(3) Final artwork has not been confirmed.  SteelBook collectors can be a picky bunch.  If the artwork is not confirmed, many people will not pre-order.  Especially in this case, there are two possible cover art designs which are being thrown around and people have preferences for one or the other.  Once artwork is finalized, more people will place their pre-order.

(4) BBC's version is 4K and $34.99 vs. $24.99 for the 2D Blu-ray with Amaray case.

(5) Reaction to the film has been lukewarm.

(6) Release date has not yet been announced so there is still plenty of time to pre-order.

 

LA LA LAND is sold out likely because

(1) Artwork has been finalized, so people who like this artwork (there is another) will rush to buy this one.  Also this artwork has proven to be quite popular with most collectors.

(2) Despite the fact that there are at least seven online retailers offering this SteelBook, there are two very popular cover designs.

(3) All of the hype and talk at the Oscars and how it almost won Best Picture has created a lot of early buzz around this title.

(4) Canadian SteelBook collectors were starving for a new title and this pre-order went live March 22 when there were very few other titles being announced.

(5) Despite the fact that this regular Blu-ray release is priced $10.00 higher than its non-SteelBook counterpart, people are speculating that the price will drop in the days leading up to the release date.

(6) Release date is much sooner (April 25) than GHOST IN THE SHELL.

 

BEAUTY AND THE BEAST (2017) 

(1) Artwork is not yet finalized, although it is highly anticipated that BBC will follow BB US's artwork which has been finalized.  Some people are waiting for the art to be finalized before pre-ordering.

(2) Release date is not yet announced so it is months away from being released.

(3) Like ROGUE ONE, this title will be widely available and almost every country will have a SteelBook release for this.  It is not expected to be hard to find.

(4) BBC's SteelBook does not include 3D.  A 3D version of the same SteelBook is available for $5.00 CDN more from another country.

 

Sorry for the long post, but there are a lot of factors which go into what sells and what doesn't.  When in doubt, pre-order and cancel later!

 

I think BB Canada is doing the right thing in opening pre-orders early.  Now if they can pre-announce pre-order times, that would be ideal!

 

 

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casey1985 wrote:

I don't know the complete history of the steelbook in Canada.

 

But this is the first time I have noticed steelbook pre-orders for movies that are still in theatres at Best Buy such as Beauty and the Beast and Ghost in the Shell.

 

Neither have release dates, neither have final artwork confirmed and until that happens there will still be plenty of time to get your order in.  Perhaps that's why they are still available?

 

And from what I hear Ghost in the Shell was garbage anyway but I know, it's a steelbook, with Scarlett Johansson on the cover so it will eventually sell.

 

 

 

By the way I looked up the "Details and Specs." tab for this and I noticed it says under Release Notes

 

Warranty Parts 60 Day(s)  I guess that means you can return steelbooks after they have been opened due to dents and scratches and other flaws?

 

I know people have had success returning opened steelbooks due to flaws but I guess this means nobody should have a problem.

 

 

 


Hey @casey1985,

 

I also do not know the history of steelbooks in Canada other than Future Shop which was a major supplier; it is funny I will come across a steelbook thread from 2014 when I first started collecting and they always talk about how lucky we were to have a store with a large supply of steelbooks.  

 

But, if I recall correctly this is not the first time Best Buy had steelbook pre-orders for movies that were still in theatres such as Beauty and the Beast and Ghost in the Shell. Does anybody recall when Best Buy Canada advertised preorders steelbooks for Minions, 10 Cloverfield Lane and Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice while the movies were still at the theaters, at the time they had no release date and no cover art. But Best Buy USA has a long history of advertising  preorders of movies still in the theater  such as Fate Of The Furious http://www.bestbuy.com/site/the-fate-of-the-furious-steelbook-includes-digital-copy-blu-ray-dvd-only.... Also Logan finally has a release date May 23, 2017 and cover art on the Best Buy USA site http://www.bestbuy.com/site/logan-steelbook-includes-digital-copy-4k-ultra-hd-blu-ray-blu-ray-only--..., I hope since it has been confirmed by @BBYTerence that BB Canada is getting Logan they do not wait for the last minute and leave us steelbook collectors  scrambling to preoder before it is sold out. As for Beauty and the Beast I have that on preorder (Isaw it three time) and Ghost in the Shell I have no interest in owning; the same goes for XXX Return of Xander Cage (sadly Xander returned a little to late).

 

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/searchpage.jsp?st=steelbook&_dyncharset=UTF-8&id=pcat17071&type=page&sc=...

 

As for my experience of returning opened steelbooks due to flaws; well I have had no success returning them mainly because the cashiers rational in my area; was there was no problem with the disc and rather than continuely debate with her I came back the next day got the same cashier and told her there was a problem with the movie. Then she finally exchanged the movie and sadly when there is problem with dents and scratches on a steelbook I always say there is aproblem with the disc.
 

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@BBYTerence confirmed Logan was coming, but did not give a pre-order date. The regular versions are not online yet either on BBC's website.